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Vegas got killed this past weekend

Postby Bloker » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:59 pm

:cry: :cry:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/85963 ... nfl-season

Week 9 rough on Vegas sportsbooks
By Darren Rovell
ESPN.com

Las Vegas bookmakers make their money by balancing their risk, but sometimes they simply come out on the wrong side of too many bets. In fact, the results of Sunday's games were so bad for the bookies that it very well might have been their Black Sunday.

At the end of the third quarter of the early NFL games on Sunday, Las Vegas Hotels Super Book vice president Jay Kornegay knew he needed more money at the front of the sportsbook.

"I've been in this business for 26 years, and I have never seen what I saw yesterday," Kornegay said. "We call for more money a couple times a year, but never like this."

Before the day started, Kornegay and his team went over the teams that its bettors loved that week: Denver, Green Bay, Detroit, Baltimore, Houston, Chicago and Seattle.

The exposure for the sportsbooks doesn't occur with individual game bets; it comes in parlays, where bettors put together many bets on one card. Win them all, and it pays off big. Playing the favorites is a popular strategy.

All of them were favorites. All of them won.

The exposure for the sportsbooks doesn't occur with individual game bets; it comes in parlays, where bettors put together many bets on one card. Win them all, and it pays off big. Playing the favorites is a popular strategy.

"Think of it this way, you have people betting those teams on tons of tickets, and then you have the gambler who bet all of those teams," Kornegay said.

Kornegay said fewer bettors dared to pick from some of the games in which the favorites lost -- like Miami and Washington. And the support of Pittsburgh fans made that upset over New York less of a factor, he said.

Like Kornegay, Jimmy Vaccaro is a sports betting veteran. He has spent 37 years in the gambling world and also couldn't believe what he was seeing on Sunday

"Up until this week, the books were doing well," said Vaccaro, a spokesman for William Hill North America, which sets the lines for 150 sportsbooks in Nevada. "There were a good deal of underdogs winning outright, and we were holding an above-normal percentage. But yesterday, all the biggest favorites were winning, and we knew pretty early on it was going to be a bad day."

Without hesitation, Vaccaro called it "the worst single, regular-season, day I've ever seen."

Vaccaro said his sportsbooks did so badly because of the stakes of the game today.

"Years ago, you had about 25 percent of your business tied up in parlays," Vaccaro said. "Now, I think we're coming close to 75 percent of our business is in parlays. People are taking $60 to $70 and hoping it lands every once in a while."

Sportsbooks owned by William Hill paid out $10,400 to a gambler who bet $100 total on seven teams, $12,750 to a bettor who bet $15 that his 10 teams would win and $15,000 to a gambler who threw $5 down on a 12-team parlay.

"This is why the sport is so popular," Vaccaro said. "Because it's so uncertain who is going to win. When all the favorites win, it's a bad week. I just wish this would have happened over a three- or four-week period instead of on the same day."

At the end of Sunday, Kornegay said that he could tell that the morale of the employees in the sportsbook was not good.

"The whole team feels it," Kornegay said. "But the thing is, we could have done exactly the same thing and had a gigantic day. It's just the way the chips fall."

As if it wasn't bad enough, some sportsbooks were dealt a final when Atlanta, which closed at a 4½-point favorite, kicked a field goal to go up six with 17 seconds left.

"It was another kick in the ribs," Kornegay said. "But I was already on the floor."

Although it is the sportsbook's job to balance out the action, Kornegay said that no matter what, his book will come out a loser after Monday night's game between Philadelphia and New Orleans.

"We have too many bettors who need one of those teams to close out the last leg of their parlays," Kornegay said. "We're lucky the economy stinks and we're not taking the same types of bets we were four or five years ago."
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Re: Vegas got killed this past weekend

Postby Fredo » Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:38 pm

It was like a Bear fan convention in Vegas . I was at the SouthPoint sportsbook and it was like being at a bar in Chicago. 75% of the hats t shirts and jerseys you saw were Bears. Everyone I talked with had hundreds on Bears and used em in every possible parlay. The booked shut down for 20 min to get more cash from the cage. It was a beautiful sight.
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Re: Vegas got killed this past weekend

Postby Triple Threat » Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:38 pm

No surprise that this happens when Professional Gambler FFC is in town
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Re: Vegas got killed this past weekend

Postby Fredo » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:02 pm

Thanks it was a big weekend. I had a nice 6 team parlay hit but I don't know how to post a picture of the ticket here.Pretty surprised myself for the year I've had in football but I'll take the lucky bounces when they come my way. Whats so funny is I've known Jay for over 10 years and he's a stand up guy. He's one of those U of A horse racing graduates. Years ago myself,Sluggo,WG and quite a few forumites and chatters invaded Vegas for the BC and then for the Street Sense/Curlin derby. I kept teasing the clerks at the Hilton until Jay comes out tells me to "take it down a notch or so,these guys don't know your joking". Trust me the books do just fine. One hour before the early kickoff on Saturdays and Sundays the lines are a mile long. After each game is a final you see maybe 20-30% of those mooks . The other 70% are running up to bet the later games to get even. I've been in this business for over 48 years and I've seen it all. Its great to hear the stories of somebody big. I was telling some friends today about a guy I met from Chicago this weekend. He hit a 12 team teaser parlay that payed 16-1.He showed me the ticket. He bet 2k and he won. Told me he was gonna buy a new truck. Then his GF asked "waddu you gonna buy me" ? She was a looker no doubt. He goes " How does a Coach purse sound" ? I was LMAO and he's fists bumps me and we both start laughing again. She goes" You know what Frodo or whatever the F your name is youz two can go F yourself "which made us roar with laughter. Now she's getting up to leave so I told her " look cupcake were only playing around,lemme make it up to ,here's 10.00 go buy yourself something pretty".She actually started laughing and then called me a name that I can't repeat here then she stormed off.Jimmy goes "don't worry I'll take her to the forum shops at Caesars and she'll be fine". What a character.
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Re: Vegas got killed this past weekend

Postby Hollywoodmike » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:24 am

I love it when the players take the books down like they did this past weekend. I even hit my little 5 teamer
when the Bucs +2 ran all over the Raiders with that Boise State rb Martin. Great for the players!!! :)
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Re: Vegas got killed this past weekend

Postby Bob B » Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:27 pm

Note to self, make it a point to meet the mooks in Vegas sometime for a big horse racing event.
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Re: Vegas got killed this past weekend

Postby Shutoutagain » Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:02 pm

I am in a 35 person pick against the spread pool and the top 3 for the week are below. There was on with 11 correct and 5 or 6 with 10 correct. No wonder the books got killed:) 14-0 against the spread, I have never seen it before.



1 0 TRICKS12 14-0-0
2 0 BUCKWIND 12-2-0
3 0 WUSHOCKSTEVE 12-2-0
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Re: Vegas got killed this past weekend

Postby Proro35 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:59 pm

:lol: Squares have a huge winning week for once and its national news. Enjoy it while it lasts.
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Re: Vegas got killed this past weekend

Postby Fredo » Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:26 am

Ya its really laughable to you that someone else wins. I've just about had it with your condescending attitude towards people in this forum. When you lose big you disappear but when you win your in here flapping your pie hole insulting people and calling them names because they didn't bet your 28% winner.I was in Vegas last weekend and it was great to see people everywhere. Too bad you can't enjoy that in your life. As far as I'm concerned your a effen moron.Your lucky your in Cleveland or were ever you live. Big talking tough guy . Give me a break.
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Re: Vegas got killed this past weekend

Postby Proro35 » Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:25 am

Fredo wrote:Ya its really laughable to you that someone else wins. I've just about had it with your condescending attitude towards people in this forum. When you lose big you disappear but when you win your in here flapping your pie hole insulting people and calling them names because they didn't bet your 28% winner.I was in Vegas last weekend and it was great to see people <img src="/images/chat/money.jpg"> everywhere. Too bad you can't enjoy that in your life. As far as I'm concerned your a effen moron.Your lucky your in Cleveland or were ever you live. Big talking tough guy . Give me a break.


I was joking buddy.

:lol: I havent posted a loser in this forum this year. WTF are you talking about. :roll:

Whats a 28% winner?
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