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Just for the record (and I know we touched on this last year), Santa Anita gets WAY more rain than HP. Being set at the foot of the mountains exposes SA to much wilder weather.
It's not uncommon for that area to get 3 times the rain as LAX, so saying HP's track can handle the rain while SA's cannot is not really accurate. IIRC, last year's big storm that caused all the problems dropped over 7 inches at SA while HP recorded an inch and a half.
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The surface that is on Hollywood is Cushion Track , the same surface that was installed at Santa Anita , the same company did both tracks . Hollywoods works better than Santa Anita's which doesnt work at all.
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May be the same company, but must be a different form as it looks, feels and plays differently than Santa Anita. Its a FAR better surface.
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Political Web wrote:May be the same company, but must be a different form as it looks, feels and plays differently than Santa Anita. Its a FAR better surface.
Now that Del Mar has figured out how to water and care for the Polytrack, and the race times have returned to normal, I would argue that the Del Mar surface is superior to the Hollywood Park surface..
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Now that Del Mar has figured out how to water and care for the Polytrack, and the race times have returned to normal, I would argue that the Del Mar surface is superior to the Hollywood Park surface..[/quote]
The race times have returned to "normal" but the surface feels and sounds way harder than when they installed it , Im pretty sure Polytrack is not supposed to be "fast" , if it was Steve Woods would still have a job.
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Pegasus44 wrote:IF...IF...IF they decide to go back to dirt....
Peg stop wasting time here when there is someone in the chat who is dying to MEAT you.
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If it is bet, they will take it.
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Should you decide to go back to dirt, please consider this:
Do it right. By right, I mean, RIGHT. Spend the time and money to research the finest of soil specialists, scientists and other experts, take their advice, USE IT, and give So Cal the best dirt surfaces on the planet. By best, read that as the BEST BY FAR. Be the envy of all the others. Don't settle. You're big leaguers, so act like big-leaguers. Big leaguers have to have the money and guts to spend it. There can be no hesitation on anybodys part. Big business requires big boys making tough decisions. Do your due dilligence. Seek out Japan. Get with 'Toga and Oaklawn. GO to each corner of the globe to find out what those guys are doing. Cherry-pick the good and by all means, do not ignore the bad. In other words, swallow your pride and ego and allow yourselves to use this tremendous opportunity to improve things beyond the shadow of a doubt.
Once the new surface is in, test it and test it again. Again and again. Every square inch. Leave no doubts. Shorten your meets by a few weeks if you have to, so you can extend the tests. Just...do it right.
There is never a substitute for quality. Yes, you will have to spend the money up front to do so. Don't cut corners. If you're running short of money, find it. The smart guys can always find the money.
Yes, you learned your lessons from the All Weather surfaces. Yes, you had to take it in the shorts. But, from all these dark clouds can come a silver lining. If you have enough faith in the sport to spend the time and effort and money to make such an exponential leap, the owners will respond. The trainers will return. You might lose some, yes, but by and large, they will return. The weather is too darn nice 98% of the time! The quality will return. The loyalty will be regained. And the net result will be what we all want. Fuller fields, bigger handle, bigger crowds, more profit. And above all, a product you can go back to being proud of. You do want to be proud of what you're presenting to the public, don't you?
Here's your chance to turn racing around in California. This place DOES belong in the upper-reaches of the sport. Right now, Keeneland and Saratoga are the standards. SA and DMR USED to be in that atmosphere. Not these days. But, if you do this right, in a few (or a little more) years time, you can reclaim your rightful place among the nation's (and world's)elite circuits. And the sport as a whole will benefit from it. You know this to be true. And you can thank yourselves with each quarterly statement at that time. This is a long term investment.
Don't waste this opportunity. You will NOT get another. Fail this, and we can begin counting you out like a once-great boxer who's been knocked down for the last time.
A Big Fan
Well said Pegasus. Places like Oaklawn and Saratoga prove every year that dirt is safer than synthetics. Yes, spend the money (far less than you wasted on the plastics). Get rid of the chopped up car tires, carpet fibers, cable coverings, wax coated sand, PVC drainage pipes, Barbie dolls, GI Joes, and whatever other pollutant scrap they mixed in. Get the horses back on a safe natural surface. There are only two -- dirt and grass.
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