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Its a little hard to let go of something when its in your lap......the horse was standing up and looking forward when the button was pushed but at the last second turned its head. Try letting go of something that wont let go of you....the asst. starter had to turn its head forward.....are they supposed to just throw thier hands in the air and let the horse keep its head to the left?
I love how people who have never broke a horse from the gate or been in the gate with a horse want to say the starter is bad and the gate man held the horse..... Sometimes things happen and stuff doesnt work out like its supposed to....I bet no one here has ever had that happen
Of course things like that happen, and contRolling a thousand-pound beast who may not want to be controRled is difficult. It's all OK - just declare the horse a non-starter if it didn't get away clean because of the asst. starter's actions. We don't want anyone shot for doing their job, but the stews missed the call.
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Fair enough..out of curiosity, you've ridden MANY, MANY races, how many times, if any, would you say the asst starter was the reason your mount was off slowly? Do you think there is a situation that calls for a horse to be declared a nonstarter due to an assistant starter holding on to a horse? Finally, in the specific example yesterday, you stated that Katy's Kitty would have had her head turned and been off slowly, which I tend to agree with, however, the asst. starter was trying to keep her straight and thus was holding on to her when the gate open. Because of that, even though there is absolutely no blame to be given, there is merit to have declared her a non starter because the asst. starter did have a hold of her when the gate was sprung? Do you agree on that?
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Whip. Of course things happen, they are animals. All we are saying is that the horse should have been declared a non starter due to what took place. Nobody is at fault, it happens. The stewards are the only ones to blame here.
Please, Be-Leaf, Me, On, This.
Good point. In cases like this the Stewards should error on the side of the Bettors. I heard most of his interview but can anyone verify that the Jock was NOT interviewed and that the starter was NOT interviewed until later on after the ruling had been made.
If the Stewards were looking at the same view we were (head on) then how can they guess what happened. If you're going to guess then the most likely guess is that the assistant starter had hold of the bridle whether it was to help or not.
I dont know if ive ridden MANY MANY races but close to 4k.......One day In Denver I was on a horse Legendary Idea.....I was on the outside told the gate man on the way in you better pin him he is known to be very bad in the gate....he tells me he's got him.....well he didnt just as the starter pushed the button this horse reared and stood on his hind legs and got me left about 7 or 8 lengths. Asst. starters fault I guess because he didnt listen to me.....we still won.
Another day I told the gate man hey this filly is nasty dont point her nose down the V until the last horse is in and the guy says all in boss....tooo late she took a dive for the bottum of the gate and well to say the least we got left.
Ruidoso Downs I was on Tequilamockingbird and my gate man had a one two split which means he was handling me in the 2 hole and the 1 horse on the off side....my horse charges the gate just as the button was pushed and the guy was slammed into the bar, we both got left because he couldnt let go until the horses force made him.
None of these horses were declared non starters, some won and some didnt....the day I got left so bad in Denver and still won I dont think the betting public would have been to happy if the Stews would have called their 5/2 favorite a non starter because he reared and got left so bad. Sometimes its the horses fault sometimes things happen beyond anyone's control. I dont think that horse at Hollywood the other day got left so bad that it didnt have a chance.....horses get left or knocked down leaving the gate and all looks hopeless but some still manage to win or run good.
Take a look at the last race, again the players got had
the insiders laugh all the way to the bank
Look at the first and second place horses and their odds,
I can't figure why on earth people are playing there.
That is a fair amount of mounts and puts you a couple thousand behind our Vince P who went to the post 7,717 times with 1,777 wins. Borderline Ridiculous Success.
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