Horsemen races. Yes or No.

[Hollywoodmike]

I agree with the majority here that horsemen races do exists and are part of the early card at most racetrack programs.

[Crazykid]

well thats just not true, how do the horsemen know which races are going to be the early races?

[Hollywoodmike]

well thats just not true, how do the horsemen know which races are going to be the early races?

Let TT, Joel or Lester answer that as they started the horsemen races thread. I'm just joining the bandwagon to keep the peace.
Trainers have 48 hours in advance though to plan hanky panky.

[DegenerationX]

These are races in the condition book that the racing secretary calls the backstretch for to beg for horses and provide favors just to fill the card. They are usually slated first regardless of their place in the condition book.

[Hollywoodmike]

These are races in the condition book that the racing secretary calls the backstretch for to beg for horses and provide favors just to fill the card. They are usually slated first regardless of their place in the condition book.

Thank you Chris for answering Crazy Kid's question.

[Crazykid]

look in the condition book and rarely if ever are the races ran in the order in the condition book, when they write extras
and ask trainers to enter the trainer has no idea which race that will be on the card. somehow you guys think all these people
on the backside are in some sort of colusion with each other, most of these people rarely if ever talk to people in other barns including the trainers

[Joel]

El Camarero racetrack in Puerto Rico has the most blatant horsemen races just about every day to start off their cards.

Here is a good example..5 horses..3 trained by the same person..and one of them is over 100/1..

http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pd ... 313PR2.pdf

[Hollywoodmike]

Horseplayers in general are cynics including myself and my racetrack buddies.

[Fredo]

81% of gamblers are cynics imho.

[Igeteven]

81% of gamblers are cynics imho.

I believe higher then that.