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Re: Santa Anita opens with a gift for pick-six bettors

Postby Southieboy » Sat Dec 22, 2012 5:00 pm

Joel wrote:Any word on Santa Anita's betting menu? Minimums and wagers offered?

Santa Anita's website is terrible..


$1 Exacta
$1 Trifecta - All races with at least 3 race day betting interests
10¢ Superfecta - All races with at least 4 race day betting interests
$2 Super High Five - requires at least 6 betting interests, offered on final race
$2 Rolling Double - Starting with all races except the last
$1 Rolling Pick Three - Starting with the first race and ending with the last three
50¢ Pick n' Pool Four - Starting with the second race and the last four races
50¢ Pick n' Pool Five - Five First five races each card
$2 Pick n' Pool Six - The last six races
$1 Place Pick All - Starting with first race and goes up to race ten
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Re: Santa Anita opens with a gift for pick-six bettors

Postby Andymays » Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:30 am

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-san ... full.story

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Promotion

Santa Anita last week announced plans to aggressively use Twitter, Facebook and other social media to market its races, especially to younger potential players.

The track also has various promotional days and discount offers to draw new customers. Normal admission ranges from $5 (general) to $20 (Turf Club). Parking is $4.

Santa Anita also is mulling a plan to encourage more on-site customers by paying higher amounts on winning bets actually placed at the track compared with the same bets placed off-site, Haines said.

"That's in progress, but I can't give you any official information," he said.

Still, it's an intriguing idea — the type of creativity Haines and his team will probably need to finally get more people playing the ponies.

james.peltz@latimes.com
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Re: Santa Anita opens with a gift for pick-six bettors

Postby Theiman » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:29 am

First thing the title of this topic should be Santa Anita opens with a gift to the Pick Six Winner. Just by betting the P6 you havent won a thing.

If the track wants to experiment with a promo how about the third Saturday of each month the entire takeout, for every pool is 12%, for on track wagers only. That might be an incentive for all players to make it out to the track. I know I would make it out that day.
Since the track raised the takeouts on all exotics I have only played, win or the Pick 5.

The pick six promo helps so few. Seriously, how often has there been 5 winners of the pick six and all were on track? Nobodys coming from out of town for this wager and we already see one big player isnt willing to make a two drive for it either.
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Re: Santa Anita opens with a gift for pick-six bettors

Postby Pooch » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:45 am

ParX usually does about $2 million total and on-site they do about $100K

If they reduced their on site take to zero for all wagers, I as a gambler would return to the racetrack to make wagers.
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Re: Santa Anita opens with a gift for pick-six bettors

Postby Andymays » Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:34 am

Andyc wrote:
Andymays wrote:http://www.drf.com/news/santa-anita-opens-gift-pick-six-bettors

Another thing bettors will thrive on is an innovative twist being planned for the Santa Anita pick six that would effectively reduce the takeout rate to just 3.68 percent for ontrack players. It could bring the wager storming back to popularity.

Santa Anita officials and Thoroughbred Owners of California on Friday were finalizing details of a creative idea that offers a 20 percent rebate bonus to winning ontrack pick six bettors. Takeout for the bet is 23.68 percent; the bonus drops the effective rate to 3.68.

Details have been slow to emerge, and track officials declined comment until the plan is signed, but one TOC source said, “It’s a done deal.”

As of Friday, the proposal faced legal and infrastructure hurdles; none was considered insurmountable. The concept is expected to work like this: Winning pick-six tickets purchased at Santa Anita by an “account-holder,” who must swipe an account card, would receive a 20 percent rebate bonus on non-carryover days.

For example, a $10,000 pick six winner would receive a $2,000 rebate
bonus. A $100,000 pick six winner would receive an additional $20,000.
The bonus would be offered regardless of number of winning tickets.
The plan would be funded from the California Marketing Committee and the TOC.

Track president George Haines deferred comment on the plan, which is tentatively scheduled to launch Jan. 1.

While getting a 20% bonus on a Pick 6 is certainly a good thing Brad Free is incorrect regarding the effective takeout when considering the bonus. Because the winners share of a P-6 pool is about 53.16% of the total pool the 20% bonus only reduces the effective takeout by 10.63% so the effective rate is 13.05%. Good but I won't be making any special trips to the track to bet a 13.05% takeout bet on a non-carryover day.



http://www.drf.com/news/brad-free-bonus ... -six-notch

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But, boy, did I get the math wrong in a Dec. 26 story in Daily Racing Form. While pick-six takeout is 23.68 percent, a 20 percent bonus would not reduce “effective takeout” to 3.68 percent, as reported.

It is a good deal still, but the bonus would reduce effective takeout only to 13 percent. The math is basic: 76.32 cents per dollar ($1 minus 23.68 percent takeout) is returned to pick-six bettors, of which 53.42 cents (70 percent) goes to major payoffs and 22.89 cents (30 percent) to consolations.

The 20 percent bonus would apply to, at most, just 53.42 percent of the pool. That would increase the payoff to 64.10 percent. Add 22.89 percent in consolations and total return is 86.99 percent of the pool.

That would make effective takeout slightly above 13 percent.

A 13 percent takeout is nothing to sneeze at, and would be lower than the best daily wager (pick five) offered at Santa Anita. The pick-six bonus will be in effect on non-carryover days, for ticket-holders that swipe an account card beforehand.
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Re: Santa Anita opens with a gift for pick-six bettors

Postby Fredo » Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:39 am

A few years back I used their Von's Club or Ralphs card or whatever they call their own players card. What a waste of time.I poured thousands through the windows that were documented by friends,family and associates in the construction industry and I was credited for maybe 10-15% of my bets. When I complained at the customer service counter they laughed at me and said "Oh well it happens all the time". I could care less how many lousy Crown Royal bags they give away or 3 card monty promotions they fleece the public with.Wait till some poor sap hits the P6 on track and his card doesn't work. A total fiasco imho.
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Re: Santa Anita opens with a gift for pick-six bettors

Postby Andyc » Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:13 pm

Kudos to Brad Free for seeing the error and actually writing about it.
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Re: Santa Anita opens with a gift for pick-six bettors

Postby MikeFromGardena » Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:39 pm

Andyc wrote:Kudos to Brad Free for seeing the error and actually writing about it.

Totally agree. Good for him.
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Re: Santa Anita opens with a gift for pick-six bettors

Postby Southieboy » Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:56 pm

ARCADIA, Calif. (Dec. 28, 2012)—Beginning Tuesday, Jan. 1, any person holding a winning Pic Six ticket purchased on-track at Santa Anita will receive a 20 percent bonus on top of the winning price, provided they swipe their Thoroughbreds Card at any pari-mutuel window prior to placing a Pic Six wager on any non-Pic Six carryover day.

The 20 percent Pic Six bonus is also applicable to Pic Six wagers placed on-track through any smart phone. Fans are encouraged to visit information windows at Santa Anita to register for an account.

http://santaanita.com/press/pressreleas ... inners-non
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