[WAS] Gary Stevens Dashes Comeback Speculation

[Tvghrtvfan]

if gary stevens gets on the right horses you will never be able to tell he ever took a break. if he doesnt he will be to old.
imo the most over rated jockey ever was jerry baily, he was always on the best horse and if they were stalkers or come from behinders he would always circle the field from the outside.
any jockey with a license would have won with those horses. had joy scott been on those same horses she would have won 5000 races and been in the hall of fame, or any other jockey you can name no matter how bad they were.

Jerry Bailey rode the best horses the last 5 years of his career. Then, Joy Scott would be then in Julie Krone league if she had ridden the best horses like Bailey did?

[MaryS]

Chris McCarron, age 57, is a retired Hall of Fame jockey who runs the North American Racing Academy in Lexington, Ky. By McCarron’s count, the 19 graduates of his program currently competing in North America have won more than 1,700 races.

I don't think you need to explain who Chris is to this crowd.

[Tvghrtvfan]

Nice article on For Inspiration, Stevens Can Look to Russell Baze

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... ok-to-baze

[Vince P]

Joy Scott would be then in Julie Krone league if she had ridden the best horses like Bailey did?

Better, impo.

Vince P

[Tvghrtvfan]

You must really like Joy Scott do you?

Let's see her lifetime statistics:

Career Statistics:

Starts: 6,539
Firsts: 461
Seconds: 540
Thirds: 635
Earnings: $6,206,004
Avg. Earnings Per Start: $949

Year Starts Firsts Seconds Thirds Earnings
2013 2 0 0 0 $1,750
2012 175 11 14 18 $211,325
2011 124 2 6 7 $121,421
2010 68 2 6 6 $70,307
2009 176 9 11 15 $149,610
2008 216 16 16 30 $204,799
2007 228 15 30 20 $216,562
2006 293 33 21 38 $290,478
2005 131 14 13 9 $135,585
2004 152 6 8 11 $117,308
2003 168 7 16 16 $104,306
2002 151 13 16 14 $107,348
2001 12 2 1 2 $25,573
2000 199 11 12 14 $155,963
1999 335 24 25 29 $438,956
1998 358 20 22 38 $443,614
1997 511 26 42 48 $783,605
1996 521 41 33 54 $829,823
1995 453 35 40 44 $439,822
1994 298 19 23 29 $361,030
1993 166 6 8 13 $81,518
1992 58 0 0 1 $8,247
1991 93 4 3 8 $50,050
1990 117 2 9 12 $71,753
1989 71 2 6 6 $29,371
1988 50 6 2 1 $30,273
1987 12 2 1 1 $20,935
1986 300 16 41 35 $104,807
1985 238 22 26 19 $117,396
1984 460 51 53 51 $278,215
1983 335 39 32 40 $183,163
1982 63 4 4 6 $18,516
1981 5 1 0 0 $2,575

Julie's stats are superior and more talented too.

Julie's statistics:
Career Statistics:

Starts: 21,412
Firsts: 3,704
Seconds: 3,261
Thirds: 2,913
Earnings: $90,126,584
Avg. Earnings Per Start: $4,209

Year Starts Firsts Seconds Thirds Earnings
2008 1 0 0 0 $940
2004 3 0 0 0 $1,456
2003 806 139 103 94 $8,201,207
2002 133 20 17 11 $814,473
1999 425 82 61 61 $2,308,509
1998 762 137 114 116 $3,998,045
1997 905 175 128 124 $4,202,631
1996 998 141 121 140 $5,243,877
1995 866 147 141 111 $7,763,310
1994 570 101 85 79 $3,981,939
1993 1,012 212 171 136 $6,417,269
1992 1,448 279 244 191 $9,216,622
1991 1,416 231 229 188 $7,751,363
1990 634 142 120 81 $2,577,727
1989 1,673 368 287 235 $8,031,445
1988 1,958 363 331 273 $7,770,314
1987 1,698 324 270 247 $4,511,391
1986 1,442 199 208 182 $2,357,136
1985 1,041 106 140 119 $1,060,352
1984 801 108 95 121 $785,982
1983 1,024 151 140 138 $1,095,662
1982 1,049 155 150 146 $1,238,161
1981 747 124 106 120 $796,773

[Kermit]

that race changed and ruined the derby future bets in nevada. i was living at so tahoe working at a casino, my roomate was a graveyard shift
bacarrat dealer. he came home from work one morning a couple of days before the derby and told me they had some super high rollers from texas betting millions at the bacarrat table that night.
and they told the dealers/floormen that they were in tahoe to bet the derby and they had ferdinand. millions were spread out all over the state on the horse in the futures.
the state of nevada and all the casinos took the worst loss in the history of nevada on that race. from 1987 forth they never gave those big future odds again.
this year the longest shot in the 2013 futures was less than 500to1, in those days you could get 10,000 to 1 early on in the futures on hundreds of horses, now the casinos wont gamble.
if you walk into a casino today and want to make a bet on an oklahoma bred maiden who has been getting beat for a $3,200 tag they wont give you 500to1 and that started with ferdinand

Cool story, bro.

I guess Agua Caliente in TJ didn't get that memo.

The following year they got killed for millions when a bettor made a $50,000 Future bet on Winning Colors at humongous odds..

While Las Vegas receives tons of press when a sportsbook takes a $1 million bet on the Super Bowl, not many people know about the time Caliente had to pay out seven figures to a Mexican National who cashed in on a $50,000 futures bet on Winning Colors in the 1988 Kentucky Derby. Regardless of the big payout, de la Fuente said he would take the risk again if it came from the right bettor. "If we know the customer, he will probably get special treatment," he stated.

I remember Lukas saying some of his help had been betting Winning Colors down in TJ, he was worried no one would show up for work the following Monday.