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P6, P5, and early P4 up big.
Hollywood does a much better job with what they have to work with than they get credit for. I hope they stick around for another couple of years at least.
I wonder what significance opening up the signal to HRTV had?
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It had to help. The P5 and early P4 were up significantly at Santa Anita as well. The upcoming Santa Anita meet will tell the story with both networks covering it.
I hope HP lasts until racing ends....
Claimboxx said,"Another fact you failed to point out is that both Nov. 11 and Nov. 18, 2011 there were concerts by Steel Pulse and Rebelution that brought out many fans, who did not gamble. Both bands have huge following, hence the inflated attendance numbers. The comparative Friday's in 2012 at Hollywood Park, there were no concerts, but because it was held during the day where more people on the East Coast could readily gamble, the handle was similar if not more.. How many people would have attended the races those Friday nights WITHOUT the concerts???? Your argument is self serving because of your Friday night Australian gig as well as extremely disingenuous given the concerts and mass promotion (commercial and television) for them."
Claimboxx, I don't have a Friday Australian gig any more, and yes there were (are) concerts on Friday Nights, but back in the day before concerts, there was Friday Night Racing with the $1 promotion and the patrons came out in large quantities. I just miss the party-like atmosphere created by the $1 promotion and horse racing.
I believe that tracks need to do what they can to bring more fans out to the track by creating excellent value for the punters..... I mean players. Bring more patrons to the tracks in the best chance to create new horse players.
Out here in Southern California, Del Mar and a majority of the time Santa Anita, do an excellent job in creating promotions to bring patrons out to the track. Now I know you can make a valid argument that Del Mar and Santa Anita are in great locations compared to Hollywood Park, and you would be correct.
On a personal note, or self serving, I love the Friday Night racing at Hollywood Park. Frankly, I don't attend the concerts since it was moved from the Jockey Club to the massive lawn at the north end of the track. I enjoyed the enthusiasm of the crowd, the comradery of the patrons, and the party-like atmosphere for the horse player........... and yes of course the great value provided with the $1 promotion for beer, soda, and hot dogs. I just miss the nights when you would have 15,000+ every Friday Night and Whittingham's Pub was over-packed over a hour before the first race. It's that dynamic of a large horse racing crowd which invigorates myself and my friends who want to enjoy the Friday Night Experience.
I'm glad the handle is up
I'm sad the attendance is significantly down
...... but I just miss the joy and love for the Friday Night Race with the $1 promotion
The world changes, horse racing changes, life changes.................
Sure, the Friday Night Races are due to return in some shape or form during the Spring/Summer meet, but will the $1 promotion return? Even if they made had a $2 promotion, it would still bring in the racing crowd.
I hear you Claimboxx, and you are valid with your points, but from a Friday Night fan's perspective, when I hear from so many individuals (see my market research project) that loved to attend the races with the promotion choose to no longer attend because of high priced concessions, it's painful to accept.
Friday Nights are horse punting nights for me and it WAS nice to go enjoy it live, but life changes, and we have to embrace change and that can open other door to other aspects of life.....
There's only one promotion that will get GAMBLERS to the track.
You can throw all the concerts you want and give away all the $1 hot dogs and beers but most of the people who go to the live track because of those promotions don't bet much.
Had dinner with Allen Gutterman last night and we talked about that...Here was the promotion I brought up, same one I have brought up since my days on the Stein Show. Give the ON-TRACK patron incentive to get in their car and make the effort to be there.. I have mentioned the on track patron should get one tick over track odds, not sure if that is economically feasible, but the logistics of what is feasible can be worked out...It needs to happen if the live product is ever going to prosper on a daily basis..
Allen Gutterman is on of the best around. Great guy.
They NOW have the ability to lower on track takeout. I have given this example to quite a few people but here goes again.
I live in San Diego. To drive to Santa Anita or Hollywood it takes an hour and half to two hours and about $60 of gas round trip. For me to drive to L.A. I would personally need (or feel comfortable with) about a 3k bankroll. With that in mind if the takeout were lower on track and I liked the card I would definitely drive up if I could win more than I could on line. Once I get there if I come close to breaking even or win I go out to dinner, get a room and go back the next day. A financial incentive is the only way to get Gamblers there. What does the takeout number need to be? I don't know. I do know that it would be different for all three So. Cal. Tracks. A place like Del Mar wouldn't have to lower the take at all where Hollywood might have to lower it a little more than Santa Anita. This way you get people with $$$'s at the Track who spend money on concessions and bring $$ to the area. If I only have $500 I'm staying home. I guess the Track would have to play with the number until they get it right but there's no time to get started like the present.
Having said all that I think we'll see some bonus payouts on track and through some ADW's in the coming months.
It is nice to watch HP racing and not be subjected to the carnival barkers.
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