Debate-Should a specific amount of the take out go to horses

[Trackmomma]

TM

In my business, it' black or white, nothing else, No excuses, your pregnant or not, etc

Yes, I don't like politicians, they stay to much in the gray area,

All I am saying is this, if I own a horse and he is unfit to run, I have the opportunity to take him to a farm and drop he off. Then the farm will take care of him for the rest of his life with proper care.

A curtain percentage of the takeout should go to these farms.

My comment was directed at the fact that your words seemed to imply that you believe these owners do not have other options. They do! They just chose, for whatever reason, not to utilize them. It was also concerning your comment that racehorses are run until they break down or are sent to slaughter when they are no longer able to run. That is just no true! If you are going to speak in absolutes make sure you know what you are talking about.
I have seen comments in this forum that allude to the belief that some trainers can "fix problems through horsemanship" when the fact is the horse should be retired. I am sure that is what the connections of the horse mentioned in an earlier thread believed they had done. That is just ignorance and arrogance. I’m sure these people thought they had great skills and could patch him up with “horsemanship” and still make money.
And why do you think you should have the option to dump a racehorse off at a farm that will take care of it for the rest of its life, like it's trash, when you are done with it? It is that exact mentality that leads to the problems we have in providing for retired racehorses. These animals are going to eat and poop and need vet care and hoof care for another 20 years. But you want to drop him off with someone to care for and forget about it?
Igeteven, you want to help? Well put your money where your mouth is… make a donation.

[Trackmomma]

Silly me. I believe that if you buy a horse you should be responsible for it's care while racing and after racing. Owners that don't should be banned from future ownership.

I agree in principle. Unfortunately that is a great way to kill racehorse ownership and the sport with it.
Horses live a long time and are as expensive to care for as a child. Unlike a child, they are seen as investments and pets. Also, unlike a child, there is never going to be a time that you are not financially responsible for it. You can't tell your 18- 30+ year old horse to get off its butt and get a job because it is time it was responsible for itself. In addition they take up more room, eat more, cost more, live longer, produce more wastes that need to be removed, and are harder to find good homes for than a dog or cat. If you hold a person who buys a horse at age 2 responsible for it until the end of its life, how are you going to convince people to buy horses. That is a really big commitment.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, just that it is a lot to expect and more than most prospective owners are going to commit to.

[Trackmomma]

Silly me. I believe that if you buy a horse you should be responsible for it's care while racing and after racing. Owners that don't should be banned from future ownership.

God Bless you Andy C

Lester

Wait a second, Lester. You just said you want to drop the horse off at a farm where it will be taken care of for the rest of its life. Well, which is it? Do you think if you had a racehorse you should be financially and morally responsible for it for its entire life? Or should you be able to drop it off and not have to worry anymore?

[Andyc]

I agree in principle. Unfortunately that is a great way to kill racehorse ownership and the sport with it.
Horses live a long time and are as expensive to care for as a child. Unlike a child, they are seen as investments and pets. Also, unlike a child, there is never going to be a time that you are not financially responsible for it. You can't tell your 18- 30+ year old horse to get off its butt and get a job because it is time it was responsible for itself. In addition they take up more room, eat more, cost more, live longer, produce more wastes that need to be removed, and are harder to find good homes for than a dog or cat. If you hold a person who buys a horse at age 2 responsible for it until the end of its life, how are you going to convince people to buy horses. That is a really big commitment.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, just that it is a lot to expect and more than most prospective owners are going to commit to.

For the most part, owning and racing horses is not something people do to try and make money to feed their families. It is a hobby and sport for the well-to-do, with exceptions. Requiring some rich owner to take responsibility for an animal that they used for their own personal pleasure is not a huge demand. All of the facts that you state above are well known before anybody buys a horse. When I am finished scarfing down my In-N-Out Double-Double I don't throw the wrappers on the ground for somebody else to pick up. Expecting the bettors or anyone else to pick up after the horse owners when they are done with their fun is offensive.

[Trackmomma]

For the most part, owning and racing horses is not something people do to try and make money to feed their families. It is a hobby and sport for the well-to-do, with exceptions. Requiring some rich owner to take responsibility for an animal that they used for their own personal pleasure is not a huge demand. All of the facts that you state above are well known before anybody buys a horse. When I am finished scarfing down my In-N-Out Double-Double I don't throw the wrappers on the ground for somebody else to pick up. Expecting the bettors or anyone else to pick up after the horse owners when they are done with their fun is offensive.

You are completely wrong. Most of the "rich owners" these days know absolutely nothing about horses. They get into this sport because they have watched on TV or gone to the races and it looks like fun. Or because they see owning racehorses as a status symbol. They don’t understand why they have expenses while the horses are laid up and they don’t care about why horses can't just run every time they want to come out and watch. Long gone are the days when most of the “rich owners” are generational horsemen or even horsemen at all. Reality is the facts I stated are not well known to most “rich owners” and, more importantly, many of them wouldn’t care if they did know.
The analogy of a burger and your wrapper that is not at all comparable. When you buy your Double-Double, you finish it. It is all used up. But, the majority of retired racehorses aren’t used up. They have years of useful life left in them, just in other careers. Why shouldn’t a person who bought the horse at some point for racing be able to sell it or give it to someone who will use it for another purpose? And then who is responsible? In any other business, one would feel that the most recent purchaser of the horse is now responsible. Correct? So why, when a horse ends up at slaughter 10 owners down the road, is the person who bought the horse for racing vilified?
And I don’t expect the bettors to pay for it. That was Lester’s bright idea.

[Hollywoodmike]

I'm willing to participate in a "Save Hollywood Park" campaign if that is what it takes. Notice I left out Betfair.
Screw those quarterhog bastards!!!

[Claimboxx]

I can tell you from my point of view having owned quite a few horses and not being among the so-called "rich owners", I feel it is my responsibility when my racehorses career is over, to find him/her a home. Not using a horse placement group to do it, but to go out and find the home for my horse. I have found homes for them as a show horse or a riding/pleasure horse, and always do my due dilligence (by keeping the papers and looking up prospective people/places on the internet) as to where to place them...However, once I have found an adequate home where the horse can can be useful enough to have a second career and/or live out his/her years in a good environment, my responsibility ends there.

[Igeteven]

I can tell you from my point of view having owned quite a few horses and not being among the so-called "rich owners", I feel it is my responsibility when my racehorses career is over, to find him/her a home. Not using a horse placement group to do it, but to go out and find the home for my horse. I have found homes for them as a show horse or a riding/pleasure horse, and always do my due dilligence (by keeping the papers and looking up prospective people/places on the internet) as to where to place them...However, once I have found an adequate home where the horse can can be useful enough to have a second career and/or live out his/her years in a good environment, my responsibility ends there.

Claimboxx, you and I may differ on a lot of thing, but this I am in total agreement on this post.

I said this also, I wish you were on the CHRB as a voice for the horses,

[Igeteven]

TM

That was Lester’s bright idea.

Please read my thread and understand it. I said they should take funds now from some stupid marketing program and put it to retire horses.



I don't want to raise the takeout one cent.

[Trackmomma]

TM

That was Lester’s bright idea.

Please read my thread and understand it. I said they should take funds now from some stupid marketing program and put it to retire horses.



I don't want to raise the takeout one cent.

Please read my first comment in this thread and understand it... That should happen but it never will. The tracks are too greedy and will never do it.